Recommend a pump for moving oil

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Postby SunWizard » Sun May 04, 2008 10:00 am

Reasons:
1. I already had the pumps around.
2. A pump is useful for general transfer of VO everywhere I am, not just sucking while collecting.
3. A sucker tank is heavy to keep putting in and out of my truck, which I would need to do weekly.
4. I need 55 gallons sometimes, other times I need 110 or more so I throw in more empty barrels, easy to load, I would need a 200 gallon sucker, very hard to load and unload, I would probably need a chain hoist. Or put the sucker on a dedicated trailer, which makes that rig get expensive.
5. My 4hp trash pump is as fast as a sucker, and needs no time in advance to build up vacuum. Many with large suckers have to start the vac. pump the night before and run all night to get enough vac. The trash pump will collect in as cold of weather as a sucker, and both can handle solids.
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Postby puresoul108 » Sun May 04, 2008 10:13 am

hheynow wrote:Kudos to my pump. 8) I rearranged my vegoil shed and pumped out twelve 55 gal drums into two totes and 3 deheaded coated drums and that's about 650 gallons of oil. Pump never over heated and pumped flawlessly. Problem was that I just realized that only some of my steel drums are coated and storing wvo in raw steel doesn't sit well with me. So I'm exhausted from all the lifting and moving around but the great news is that all my oil is now in plastic and coated steel. I listed my 12 uncoated drums on Craig's List for free and they were gone in a day! So much more room...I'm thrilled.


I am sorry maybe i missed something :?: , what type of pump do you use I dont think the brand or model was mentioned. is it the same as Sunwizard's, a Tuthill Fillrite 1604???

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Postby rkpatt » Sun May 04, 2008 6:05 pm

I purchased one of these http://www.monarchindustries.com/v4/pump_pages/bsgf.htm used . It is not self priming and not that easy to use . If your plan to use a gas powered trash pump frequently , please get the self-priming type .
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Postby SunWizard » Sun May 04, 2008 8:16 pm

rkpatt wrote:I purchased one of these http://www.monarchindustries.com/v4/pump_pages/bsgf.htm used . It is not self priming and not that easy to use . If your plan to use a gas powered trash pump frequently , please get the self-priming type .

That model says its self priming. I think none of them are on VO, so the trick I use is to cap the intake pipe quickly after pulling it out of the VO, and I don't have trouble losing prime. I may try a foot valve which does the same thing automatically.
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Postby Welder » Mon May 05, 2008 5:27 am

Thanks for explaining your reasons for opting for pumps over a sucker tank, Sunwizard.

I thought only a sucker could handle cold WVO well. You say your 4HP trash pump moves mollasses thick oil?
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Postby rkpatt » Mon May 05, 2008 5:27 am

Sunwizard - This pump requires removing the priming plug and filling the casing with liquid even when pumping water -( http://www.monarchindustries.com/v4/med ... n_BSGF.pdf)
Maybe I am confused on my understanding of the what term self-priming means with this type of pump . As you have mentioned , maybe a foot valve or valving off may keep it primed .

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rkpatt wrote:I purchased one of these http://www.monarchindustries.com/v4/pump_pages/bsgf.htm used . It is not self priming and not that easy to use . If your plan to use a gas powered trash pump frequently , please get the self-priming type .

That model says its self priming. I think none of them are on VO, so the trick I use is to cap the intake pipe quickly after pulling it out of the VO, and I don't have trouble losing prime. I may try a foot valve which does the same thing automatically.
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Postby SunWizard » Mon May 05, 2008 7:14 am

Welder wrote: You say your 4HP trash pump moves mollasses thick oil?

Yes but at a much slower rate than usual.
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Postby SunWizard » Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:40 pm

More info on my trash pump I use:
One advantage of a trash pump is you can suck up hard chunks like the common burnt to a crisp french fries without damage and without a suction screen. Chunks can damage or clog a gear pump or vane pump. A suction screen greatly limits your flow, and doesn't work very well on PHO.

Full throttle doesn't increase it much, 40-50 gpm. If you want more GPM use a bigger or shorter hose, the hose is the main factor limiting flow. I used about 10' of hose on input, and 20' on output. Flow will vary greatly depending on thickness of VO and temp. A bigger hose will make it much harder to move around due to weight and bulk.
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Postby mortarsprayer » Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:24 pm

***I am editing my post to remove my endorsement of this pump***
In the beginning this one looked like a wonderful solution. Unfortunately the rubber seals inside wear out far too often. I am leaving this post up because it does pump great but the buyer should order a set of replacement parts when he orders the pump.



Hello Jake,
I have one of these for moving dirty oil up to 100 weight hydraulic:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000X0BDTO
I used a direct drive 1.5 hp 1800 rpm motor. At a gallon every other second, it is TOO much flow! I will be changing it to a 1200 rpm motor soon to slow it down.

If I was doing it again, I would be more than happy with their smaller pump and a 3/4 hp motor.
It was much less expensive at Amazon than other places.

http://www.amazon.com/Superior-Pump-BP2 ... B000X0BDT4

My hope is that I would be able to run the 3/4 hp combination with a Honda Eu2000i generator.

For clean fuel after the centrifuge, I use the 12 volt Tuthill from Northern:
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/ ... _200351097

The hose and nozzle are not worth the extra $70. I will order another one without next time:
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/ ... _200351096

With the Tuthill, I suck through a 2 micron Racor 1000RH and push through a 1 micron absolute filter.
The Tuthill is a bit too fast for a single Racor, I should add a second Racor in parallel to get closer to their recommended max flow rate.

Best regards,
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Postby fishflyguy » Fri Mar 11, 2011 6:55 pm

jordanmills wrote:water ace Model RCPH, Part No. 27189D500

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http://www.waterace.com/specialty_8.html

Basically a 1" trash pump. Moves liquid oil absurdly fast.


I found this pump looks pretty good. Tell me what everybody else thinks.

Sun do you think this pump will get the job done?

Here is the website: http://www.waterpumpsdirect.com/BE-WP-1 ... p6066.html

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Here are the specs

BE WP-1025CM - 42 GPM (1") Water Pump

Model
Model Number: WP-1025CM
Manufacturer: BE
Engine
Engine Brand: PowerEase
Starting System: Recoil Start
Engine Cycles: 4-Cycle
Low Oil Shutdown: Yes
HP/CC: 2.5 HP/98 cc
Fuel Tank Size: .95 Gallon
Consumer Engine Warranty: 1 Year
Pump
Gallons Per Minute: 42 GPM
Inlet Diameter: 1"
Outlet Diameter: 2"
Self Priming: Yes
Pump Head Material: Aluminum
Suction Head: 20 Feet
Total Head Lift: 85 Feet
Accessories
Overview
Weight: 13 Lbs. (5.90 kilograms)
Consumer Warranty: 1 Year
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Postby SunWizard » Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:52 pm

That pump would work. Notice its backordered until May. A honda pump linked earlier in this thread is much better quality than that one and is probably worth the extra money.
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Re: Recommend a pump for moving oil

Postby fueljoule » Tue Jun 02, 2015 6:15 am

A lot of the pumps thrown around on here are pretty far out of my price range. I was wondering if something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Manual-Hand-Crank-Rotary-Pump-Oil-Fuel-Transfer-Suctin-Drum-Barrel-55-Gallon-/191287114410?cmd=ViewItem&hash=item2c8999baaa&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 would work?

I understand it probably wouldn't last forever, and the GPM rate is undoubtedly pathetic, but first it's affordable. Can I make do with this? Any ideas on how long it'll last? Is there another option in this price range?

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Re: Recommend a pump for moving oil

Postby SunWizard » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:30 am

Yes that one works but is slow and tiring if you need to empty a 55 gallon barrel, I used one for a short time. if you have a harbor freight store you can go get the same one there today for 29.99:
http://www.harborfreight.com/barrel-pump-45743.html
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Re: Recommend a pump for moving oil

Postby David » Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:01 am

Here are some Vids of my Small block Chev pump. Easily built for under $100 in the states. Does 80L/min .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A73BOwoGPW4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkBIYcT6j8U
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