insulation testers wanted

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Postby Jake Palmer » Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:58 am

leftcoastjeff wrote:
PS Plant drive is sending 3 way valve and 2 filter elements to design around, these guys rock, and they make great looking products.


SWEET, I hope one is for the VegMax

what about FPHE?
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Postby leftcoastjeff » Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:37 pm

Yes plant drive is sending filters, I belive one is the vegmax.

About the fphe, which one do you use, can you send pic and measurements.

I went and looked at the tube assembled, boy it looks small inside I'll PM
as I haven't shipped yet,
Let's get that one in the shipment too!

what do you think?

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Recent tester

Postby leftcoastjeff » Thu May 01, 2008 5:26 pm

"hold on tight" PM;
Hi Jeff,
I'm interested. I have an F-250. I'll need to measure the lines so you can get started. I'm interested in insulating hoses, the steel fuel lines, and mostly my solenoid valves. The valves have an aluminum body which acts as a big heat sink where I need to keep the oil as hot as possible. I'm interested in insulating all the high heat-loss areas. Where the coolant hoses pass through the bed of the truck is a tight turn and a tight body pass through hole. My truck is a long bed with a crew cab, so I may need quite a few feet to fit over the heater hose... I have an accurate IR thermometer and an equally accurate temp sender. I can take some pics so you can see what I want to insulate. I'm an engineer so getting good accurate data is something I think you'll like to get from me. I should have pics and measurements by next weekend.
Thanks,
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Postby leftcoastjeff » Thu May 01, 2008 5:28 pm

OK who's next? what ya got, and how big is it? :D
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FPHE coozie

Postby leftcoastjeff » Thu May 01, 2008 11:21 pm

Below is a pic of a prototype for the 16 plate that plantdrive sells, I need the size of the protrusions and how far they are from the edges.

One idea from jake(I think) is to invert the box so that the flat flap(which is on the top) is on the bottem and the hoses go through holes in the box shaped bottom(see image posted below).
Though this needs to be installed by removing hoses, what a drag!

Wanting more input,

LCjeff

(edit) Thank you very much SunWizard for the prompt assistance below.
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Postby SunWizard » Fri May 02, 2008 7:10 am

You can link it here like this :
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You get the link from hitting the All sizes button, then right click on download the large size and hit copy link location and paste it in here with the Img button tags.
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Size of hoses needing insulating

Postby HoldOnTight » Mon May 05, 2008 1:19 pm

LC Jeff,
Sorry I took so long. I have my hose measurements for my F-250 Crew Cab. My hose sizes consist of the following perimeter measurements:

HIH or TIH between front and rear of the truck:
4 3/4 in + 15%(add a little extra for ease of installation) = 5.5 in perimiter X 34 ft long

HOH transition (under truck) leading to FPHE and running between tank and Fuel Filter: (8 in +15%) x (5 ft + 5 ft) = 9.2 in perimeter x 10 ft long

Fuel Hose interconnecting the HIH to FPHE to Hydroforce Valve:
(3.5 in + 15%) x 2.5ft = 4.0 in perimeter x 2.5ft

Between the 2 fuel rails and the fuel selector valve, I have steel break line:
1 in. perimeter x 6 ft

Once fuel rail is fed by steel line that I wouldn't insulate because it is simply too close to the turbo up-pipe. I didn't account for that length.
Let me know if you have any additional questions.

Thanks!
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Questions

Postby leftcoastjeff » Mon May 05, 2008 5:35 pm

Tube or wrap?

How thick can the long one be, weren't you concerned about clearence
through firewall/behind cab?

1/4" is what I made the last one out of.

FPHE cover? this seems to me to be the most important portion.

The 34' HOH/TIH, all one piece, if your already going co cut it, let me, so I can make it a little easier on my crew and we can finish the ends.

sounds like a win-win to me.

When the engine is at temp. do the hydraforce valves get hot to the touch?

Too darn many questions?

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line insulation

Postby HoldOnTight » Tue May 06, 2008 1:48 pm

LC Jeff,

I need to be able to wrap it in my existing install. I have rubber coated clamps (the air force calls them "Adel clamps") every 2 ft or so of HIH. I could cut a slit along the length to wrap it if need be. I was planning to use electrical tape to distribute the load and hold it together over the tape with a plastic zip-tie every 6 in or so. I don't know if that is a good approach or not...

What way would you recommend installing it?

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Postby leftcoastjeff » Tue May 06, 2008 2:52 pm

So how about a wrap job like a bandage.
2.5" strips? wrap around and around?
My first estimate is 3' of strip should cover 1' of your HOH
If your clamped every 2', you could do that section with 6' of wrap
IMHO Wrapping will hold the HOH together better than a tube.

Understand that I get flat stock, I'd hate to take time making a 34' tube
just so you can cut it, and make it flat again. agreed?

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Postby leftcoastjeff » Tue May 06, 2008 6:44 pm

like this
Image

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Postby Jake Palmer » Wed May 07, 2008 7:57 pm

Jeff,

I got my HoH wrap tonight... I can't express how impressed I am with this. You obviously but some real time and effort into it... VERY IMPRESSIVE - VERY COOL

I'll install this weekend and get some pics/numbers for you

Thanks again, this is a real quality piece!
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anaconda

Postby leftcoastjeff » Wed May 07, 2008 8:54 pm

That's a tube, not a wrap to be clear.
I was wondering about the installation, diffacult?
I'm on the edge of my seat, will it work as well as I think it will?

Waiting..... no rush.......

Hay! how about the FPHE............

OBTW can you view the image above?

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Re: anaconda

Postby BMW Fan » Thu May 08, 2008 6:53 am

leftcoastjeff wrote:That's a tube, not a wrap to be clear.
I was wondering about the installation, diffacult?
LCjeff


Now that is different and interesting.
I was under the impression of a wrap which I would not like so much.

I am doing a BMW conversion right now and may be your first customer.

So I guess my question goes to Jeff.
How easy was the installation and what did you gain in temperature ?

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Postby leftcoastjeff » Thu May 08, 2008 9:09 am

BMW Fan said,
"I was under the impression of a wrap which I would not like so much."

What are you trying to say?

"I am doing a BMW conversion right now and may be your first customer."

First paying customer?, hardly. I've been making suits and stuff for 20+ years, But I have never used our materials for this purpose. That's why I am asking for testers.

"So I guess my question goes to Jeff.
How easy was the installation and what did you gain in temperature ?"

Good question! that's why this thread is named "testers wanted"
I do not have info yet, but I will share results here.

Do you want to be an official tester?

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