WVO Collection pump Fillrite 1604 12 volt

Collecting, filtering and dewatering of WVO SVO vegetable oil. For Biodiesel producers too.

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Postby VegMeister » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:48 pm

Do you know the restaurant is going to produce 55 gallons every week/or however often you'll drive past? It's highly unlikely... probably they'll produce about 25gallons/week max. Otherwise, get an 80gallon water heater... I could get you a few.

The "Super Sucker" tank that we're talking about is EXACTLY the same design principle that the septic guys use every day, just like you said. You can use the compressor from an old fridge (I did) and any size tank that holds suction.
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Postby haroldcr » Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:17 pm

OK, vegmeister. I'll take 2--80 gallon Water heaters. What do you think the cost to ship them to Costa Rica would be ??? :roll: :roll: :D :D

I have been studying on making a Vacuum Dry Kiln, for my lumber business. It takes a pretty good sized pump to pull enough vacuum to dry wood.

How long does it take for you to pull enough vacuum in your sucker tank, and, how often do you have to run it, while pulling oil ???
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Postby SkySkiJason » Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:06 am

Seriously, water heaters go bad in Costa Rica, too!! Check with the places that SELL water heaters, they know who is yanking the old ones out. I ended up with several before I had to start saying NO. My first dewatering still was a free 80 gal BOILER (it was 480v 3phase and had 9 6000 watt elements in it and 1.25" inlet/outlets :shock: ). They threw it out 'cause it leaked - it was leaking in a copper nipple screwed into the steel tank. Oh, it didn't help the other side of copper was a SS union. :roll:

Same goes for refrigerators. Salvage a compressor from one of those and use it as a vac pump.

The 40 gal tank w/35ish gals was all I wanna wheel around, but I'm a wimp. (actually, I broke my back a couple years ago and I'm still gettin' back in shape!)

Scrap metal place may be source for both of these.

Your truck/car most likely has a vacuum system. The guy I know here has a 120 gal tank in his truck and has a line from his vacuum system (a belt driven vac pump on his 7.3IDI ford) run to the tank. As he drives to the oil he is sucking a vac in the tank.

You could use a LONG suction hose, but they are kinda expensive. For short runs we just use the braided poly hose - the bigger the faster it'll collect!

Vac time depends on the pump. My A/C vac pump is like 5 cfm, so it'll pull the 40 gal down in 5 minutes or less, the 80 gal in 10 min or so. I think the guy using his truck said its several miles to his collection point, and that is enough....
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Postby haroldcr » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:27 pm

Not too many water heaters in CR. They use Suicide Shower heads. They also have instant hot. Both will scald you, if you're not careful. Metal tanks are cut up for watering tanks for livestock, along with truck and tractor tires, and all sorts of stuff you would never think to use. A junk washing machine, different than you've ever seen in the USA, would be just the empty carcass, thrown along the road.

Guys run around with junk trucks and junk pickups, looking for deals on junk, to sell to the major scrap guy, that hauls to San Jose. Once it's on his truck, you pay BIG for him to even THINK about rooting something out for you.

It's a whole different lifestyle down here.

I've collected and built Solar Water heaters, Built Wood Furnaces with Hot water , been in the Wind Generator Business. Done all sorts of scrounging. Dove for Spanish Treasure in Florida and the Bahamas and logged rivers in Florida for sinker logs. Built a WoodMizer type Band Sawmill and run a Peterson, circle type Swing Blade Mill down here.

Down here, I'm 5 hours from the BIG CITY, San Jose. Other smaller cities and towns, just keep using stuff until it's COMPLETELY used up.

That's the reasons it's taking me time to get stuff up and running.

This Veg Oil thing is something I never got into, before moving here. Now, I'm playing catch-up.

Thanks for all the comments and information.
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Postby haroldcr » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:18 pm

Update ::

Got a hydraulic pump off the front of a Diesel Tractor. Got it rigged to a ½" slow speed drill motor. Got it all screwed down to a board. Need 2 different sized hoses, one for suction out of the barrel, and a garden hose to reach the Truck barrel.

Going in tomorrow, and, if there are barrels, with oil, I will buy the necessary hoses and clamps, and see how big a mess I can make. :roll: :lol:
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Postby SunWizard » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:24 pm

With a pump off a tractor you should be able to make a big mess, and quickly too :)
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Postby haroldcr » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:30 pm

It's not physically , a big pump. Slow speed drill motor should keep pressure down. There's no relief valve, just straight flow. Probably 3/4" suction and maybe 7/16" pressure side.
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Postby haroldcr » Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:33 am

I've not seen this mentioned, at all, so, is anyone using ANY kind of screen on their suction line ?? I'm thinking about something like a piece of metal, small can if you like, with many holes drilled in it, to keep bigger bits from going through the gears in my hyd pump, for collecting ???

I'm thinking these would get smashed deeply into the gears and cause unnecessary pressure on the gears as they mesh ???

I know, a different type pump would be better, but, you gotta use what ya got ??
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Postby David » Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:31 am

I had a mesh on my SB chev oil pump and found it more trouble than what it was worth. If the mesh is small it blocks quickly. If the mesh is large,It holds a lot of oil when you pulled it out of the drum and unless you put a bucket under it, the oil dripped everywhere. Even with the bucket, it was clumsy and would fall over on the way home and make a mess anyway.

The thing I found is that decent oil rarely has that much crap in it you need to strain it and what there is in good oil is small enough to get crunched by the gears without problem. If it's too big, the pump jams, you reverse the motor and go again. If the pump is jamming too often even well off the bottom of the drum., go find less crappy oil.

It took me a while to wise up to instead of trying to get all the oil, be happy to leave plenty behind. All the crap drops to the bottom and if you only pump off the good oil, the rest of your entire process is so much easier anyway.
Listening to your pump in the first place can be a real good indicator of what you are actually getting.
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Postby coachgeo » Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:39 am

David wrote:...It took me a while to wise up to instead of trying to get all the oil, be happy to leave plenty behind.....
So your suppose to be providing a disposal service to the resturant in return you get the oil for fuel use.... but if your only taking part of their oil..... then your only providing half a service. :roll:

So eventually won't it be the resturnat owner who decides to "wise up" and let someone else take they oil?
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Postby SunWizard » Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:40 am

I use a 100 micron strainer that came with my pump, a Fill-rite 1604. Its about 3" diameter and 3" tall and smooth on the outside. It works good, and if it ever clogs from too much stuff, I simply lift it out of the barrel, and the VO running backwards out the hose makes the stuff fall off, along with a little tap on the side of the barrel.
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Postby haroldcr » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:15 am

So David, question . As the barrels get more crap in the bottom, they start filling with more solidified crap. At what stage do you empty or change out the barrels ??? They surely get heavy quickly with "Crap". ??

I'm not as fortunate as you other guys. Here, it's take what you get or go without.

Stopped in a "Chip" plant, yeaterday. They use the used oil in their tractors and trucks. See where this is leading to ???

I'm getting a different pump set-up, as soon as I get in the states, in a couple weeks.

Anyone have an unused or secondhand Dieselcraft Centrifuge, they want to sell ??
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Postby David » Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:47 am

haroldcr wrote:So David, question . As the barrels get more crap in the bottom, they start filling with more solidified crap. At what stage do you empty or change out the barrels ??? They surely get heavy quickly with "Crap". ??


The places I am collecting from currently are pretty clean and it is only a couple of places I took over that I had to clean out. I was leaving things to settle out for a while but I have a new strategy. I pump into 25L drums in the boot of my Merc. I get the good oil off the top till I hit the rubbish. I know the cycles of the places I collect from by keeping records and there is one week a mont where none of them seem to have much. when I visit on this week I get whatever decent oil there may be then just go all the way to the bottom and pump this into separate drums in the car which I then just settle out in a different 205L drum at home.
I take any good oil off the top of that (usually 1/4-2/3rd drum and following some " salvage" experiments I did which show the bottom emulsion takes way too much energy to be bothered with to dry, I'm just depositing this in another of my drums which is on site at a small shopping centre that a collection company conveniently comes and pumps out for me very regularly.
Some people might say they are stealing from me but I tend to look at it as doing me and my friends who have a glycerin disposal problem a really big favour!

I haven't had much solid stuff I couldn't pump, for planned sludge sessions I have taken a generator and 240V, 1" centrifugal pump and haven't found anything I couldn't get with that apart from some bones I got rid of by just up ending the barrel in the nearby dumpster.

If you have to take what you can get, taking the sludge may be Ok if you keep it separate from the good stuff and donate it to a collectors barrel. :mrgreen:
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Postby SkySkiJason » Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:36 am

I leave the bottom 12" or so every time I pump out. Every once in awhile I take a 'dirty' drum and pump those liquids down as far as I can, then swap drums. I take the drum full of crumbs home to clean. These crumbs are great fuel for the fire, btw. The 'bottoms' of the drums are just settled seperately... (my new diesel powered 3" trash pump may change this routine!)

As long as the restraunt has a place to dump the oil - I am doing my 'service'.

I was donating the 'junk' off the bottoms to the renderer, but now we use the BioPro 190 to make bio-d out of it. This includes everything we 'settle out' during dewatering. Turns out, most of that white crap was animal fats and PHO!!!
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Postby David » Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:07 am

SkySkiJason wrote:I was donating the 'junk' off the bottoms to the renderer, but now we use the BioPro 190 to make bio-d out of it. This includes everything we 'settle out' during dewatering. Turns out, most of that white crap was animal fats and PHO!!!


The Grey Crap I get off the bottom of my settling drums has a water content that is sky high. I have been unable to get it to settle out to water and oil/fats like is so often spoken of on these forums no matter what and in talking about this to others I know, they have the same problems. A number of us have come to the opinon that the fats seem to attract and hold more water than the oil.

The other week I took a sample of freshly collected oil and coarse filtered it through a shopping bag which removes the fat to produce nice clear oil. catching the oil and comparing that in a HP test to the original oil sample taken minutes earlier, showed a big difference in water content.
A bio making friend that has been the recipient of tons of this stuff has also come to the same conclusion from fat filtering his own oil and now has no interest in this stuff either due to the amount of work in drying it or the losses it gives him in his BD production.

For the amount of oil I get and the time and trouble that it takes to do anything useful with this bottom dwelling mayonnaise, the renderer's can have it. :D
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