WVO Collection pump Fillrite 1604 12 volt

Collecting, filtering and dewatering of WVO SVO vegetable oil. For Biodiesel producers too.

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Postby haroldcr » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:19 am

There are NO renderers collecting here, using dumpsters OR barrels ??? A couple gather the cubies at KFC or McDonalds. Mostly the occasional farmer that feeds this stuff to his hogs, will ask for the oil ??? :roll:

Seems that we get pretty positive results when we show up the second time, and ask again. Even down here, just showing up is a big deal :roll:

I've tried to get the few people that are talking with us, to put the oil in the cubies. One does, one might, and the others use small and large barrels.

Offering a large mouth funnel, would only succeed in supplying all the workers with funnels, to take home. Their philosophy is, if it's there, I can take it ??? :roll: :evil:

Going in for a 55 gallon barrel on Thursday. Have to get hoses rigged up on my pump unit, and run it a spell, before we go to collect. :roll:

The Land Cruiser is small inside. One 55 gallon barrel and maybe a couple 30's and it will be stuffed. Very hard to find metal 30 Gallon, small grease barrels. Plastic barrels here are not marked with the code, to know if they will get real soft when hot oil is poured in. We NEED to find metal barrels. That would help immensely in swapping out barrels.
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Postby haroldcr » Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:52 am

Another update :

Got some hoses rigged up on the pump, and pumped from a 20 gallon drum, into the bag filter setup. NO onrush, NO high pressure, NO problems :D :D

Pumps about 3 gallons a minute. Got the drill motor-pump, setting up on a table, so I could grab anything that tried to get out of shape. Might pump a little more sitting on the floor.

Anyway, it beats a funnel and a gallon jug, dipping oil from drums.

Need to find a slow speed motor, maybe 1050 RPM's. :)
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Need a bag filter with housing

Postby gandjwhite » Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:17 pm

I am considering the Tuthill Model #SD1202NT from NorthernTool.com and I'd like to add a filter of some kind inline before the pump. I noticed they have some 15 Micron GoldenRod Water-block filters on there but I was actually thinking about some kind of 5 Micron Bag Filter setup like what Greasecar has in its collection systems. But, the problem is it doesn't appear that they sell them there.

Can anyone suggest a good bag filter housing that could be attached to this pump?
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Postby SunWizard » Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:34 pm

I have that same pump. I wouldn't recommend it for VO since its a vane pump and its very slow or stops completely when it gets thick. Any filter you add should go on the pressure side, but that pump is not strong enough to push through filters either when it gets <50F at night.
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Postby gandjwhite » Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:46 pm

So, are there any 12V pumps that could push through a 5 micron filter? I'm trying to recreate a cheaper version of the "One Shot" filtration system from Goldenfuels. I found a filter bag housing on the McMaster-Carr website that has a 20 gpm max. flow rate at max. 100 lb. pressure with 5 micron poly bag filter. It's in my price range but I'm not sure what it would take to push WVO through it from collection tanks while on the road.
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Postby SunWizard » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:11 pm

Yes the Fill-rite 1604 will push through a filter. Its the first pump I started this thread with, and I have used mine for thousands of gallons.
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Postby gandjwhite » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:21 pm

o.k. Great! One down (my pump question) one to go (the filter).

I found a filter housing as described above. It looks like this:

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It is described as "bottom-loading". Is that good or bad? Will this work with the Fill-Rite? If not, what would?

I like this one because 5 micron bags are less than $5 to replace.
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Postby SunWizard » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:56 pm

Yes that would work. Bottom loading might make a mess, I haven't used one. Bag filters often make a mess anyway you go when you change them.
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Inlet Filter for FillRite Pump

Postby gandjwhite » Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:31 pm

I need to get an inlet filter for my transfer pump. Want something with relatively low micron filtration. (as far as screen type filters go).

I see one in the resources section for $13 from Grainger but it doesn't appear to show micron level.

Considering just clamping some screen on the end of a hose, but seems like I could use more surface area like the grainger one.

I also found the following which comes in 30, 60, 100, and even 200 mesh for about $15-25.

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My pump is the FillRite pump with a 5 micron bag filter on the outlet. So, I want to protect the pump and preserve the bag filter while not overworking the pump too much.

Any recommendations or info.?
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Postby SunWizard » Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:23 pm

I have used a strainer like your picture, 100 mesh, but found I prefer the stock 330 micron suction strainer that came with the pump. Because if it plugs, I can stop the pump, and the backflowing VO cleans the screen. The strainer you picture doesn't clean as easy because of the pleats.
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Postby David » Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:17 am

Today I finished re-configuring my SB Chev pump. After looking for months for a suitable starter motor and coming to the conclusion that they probably wouldn't work as well as I hoped, I went back to a 200W, 24V scooter motor that a local surplus place had on special for a bargain $18. I used one of these before but it failed pretty quick and I now suspect the reason the scooter I got it from was disgarded in the first place was because of the motor having problems. I pulled it apart and half the wires from the communicator had shorted and melted off.

In my last configuration I use some fuel type hose to couple the pump and motor together but had a lot of problems with the torque of the motor on 24V just sheering the hose no matter what I used. This time I used a pair of Lovejoy couplers to mate the 2 dissimilar sized shafts together. These things are very strong and am confident of no more troubles with this. To my surprise, the couplers were much cheaper than I expected as well.


Running on the Full 24V from 2x 12V, 7.2 Ah batteries, I tested the thing this afternoon pumping a 25L Cubee of fairly thick cold oil in under 30 Sec which was exactly what I wanted. As this will give me the ability to pump a full 200L drum in about 3.5 Min and the batteries should be good for at least 20 min, that is a lot more oil than I ever pump in a day.

As I will use this pump to pick up oil from drums and move it to the boot of my car, I have noticed that a full drum starts out at a higher level than the cubees , eventually levels out and then is lifting the oil. I think this averages out pretty well and as the gear pump is positive displacement and the motor seems to have enough torque to drive it flat out, I don't see it slowing down or the flow rate diminishing.

I am going to wire the thing to give me low and high speed, forward and reverse and to reconfigure the wiring so both batteries can be charged or topped up between collections from 12V.

I am going to make the setup fully portable and put the batteries on top of the pump in a double layer configuration and add a handle with push on ends for the hoses so the whole thing can be carried with one hand and it can easily be used for transferring oil around at home.

I bypassed the original ports on this pump and welded in some 3/4" pipes directly to the housing. I have had this pump coupled up to a 240V, 1/4Hp motor for a couple of months and found it very handy for moving oil at home. As I could use another of these pumps, I'm also thinking of getting a use Big block pump and boring the housing on it to 1" and mating it up to either a 300W motor or a 500W 24V motor.
I believe this should be capable of maybe twice the flow of my current pump particularly if I go with the 500W motor and use a timing belt setup to over drive the pump slightly.

Another Idea I have is to motorize a rotary hand pump. The one I have is a vane type and I don't see why it couldn't be driven at a much faster speed than hand cranking would allow with an electric motor. I have a small 100W scooter motor and I figure with a 6:1 reduction the motor would have gobs of torque and still be able to drive the pump with sufficient speed to get an impressive flow rate.

I'll have to check the flow rate of the pump per revolution and then work out how fast I need it to spin to get the desired flow rate. Once I do this I can work out the pulley size on the pump and if I need to drive the motor at the full 24V or can get away with just giving it 12. This appears to have the potential to be a very fast pump.

I'll do some pics of the work in progress with the SB pump tomorrow and post them up.
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Postby 123eddie » Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:50 am

I bought the 1304 as recommended and here is my problem. At my main source I have two 55 gallon barrels. In one they fill with soy oil that is only used to fry chips and it looks good and pumps easy. The second barrel is the one I have trouble with, it is also soy oil but with lots of fat from meats and it clogs the pick up filter instantly. Any one solved the problem of picking up thick oil. The oil is liquid most of the year.
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Postby SunWizard » Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:58 am

123eddie wrote:Any one solved the problem of picking up thick oil

I have solved it in 2 ways.

1. I use a drop in bucket heater hooked to a small generator with my fill-rite. This makes even PHO thin enough to pump, I put the suction hose right down near the heater.

2. I use a 4hp gas powered trash pump, it will suck anything.
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Postby WyoSam » Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:36 am

SunWizard wrote: I use a 4hp gas powered trash pump, it will suck anything.

That's what I'm going to do this winter too, something about standing outside at 10 degrees F and 40 mph wind started to lose its glamour last winter.

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Postby 123eddie » Sat Aug 09, 2008 9:39 am

Thanks Sun, I just searched Craigslist for a trash pump and found nothing at the moment. Bucket heater makes sense. I like the bucket heater option if I could plug it in to my sources electric and avoid carrying a generator. The trash pump in the long haul makes sense if you save time picking up your oil.
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