WVO Collection pump Fillrite 1604 12 volt

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WVO Collection pump Fillrite 1604 12 volt

Postby SunWizard » Wed Mar 05, 2008 3:09 pm

To Collect WVO from 55 gallon barrels at restaurants, I use one of these Tuthill Fillrite 1604 works at 12 or 24volt pumps:
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and it does about 5 gpm and can handle very thick WVO. Its worked good for 2 years. Its an eccentric cam so it works like a gear pump, which is better than vane style pumps for WVO:
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One tip, the plastic nozzle that comes with it will restrict the flow if you use the built-in stop to hold it on. I use a quick clamp on the handle which raises the flow to about double.
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Postby Muleears » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:13 am

I second what Sun says. I have the same pump and it will pump some pretty thick stuff. The rate drops off accordingly, as you would expect.

I don't have the same problem with the auto hold, mine doesn't drop off much at all. If you get one of these remember the nozzle is not an auto stop like at the gas station!

You do need to keep the strainer that comes with it on the end. Mine fell off once in some cruddy oil and you can stop the pump with crispies if enough get in there.

The hose that came with mine was great. Doesn't kink easily and stays pliable in the cold. We'll see how it stands up to the WVO over time. It's been about 6 months so far. The garden hose "no kink" stuff I was using got very stiff in a couple months.
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Postby haroldcr » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:14 pm

I have contacts that are inside a mall at a bus terminal. The only way I can see to collect, is, use the 12V pump and a LONG hose, probably 50 feet total ??

Any suggestions whether a garden hose would be sufficient for the suction line ?? The barrels are above my Land Cruiser, so, gravity feed, of sorts, MIGHT come into play ??
I'm going to need to be extremely neat and efficient to pull this off. There are 2 barrels that I know of, that are full, and maybe more if I just ask around ??

I'm no longer able to wrestle 55 gallon drums of oil, to just swap barrels, and, I'm NOT about to look for a helper. Down here, they don't care about spilling a bucket of oil, and just push the spill out of the way, with whatever is handy :roll: :roll:

Will that pump recommended here be sufficient to handle this chore ??
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Postby SunWizard » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:19 pm

haroldcr wrote: Any suggestions whether a garden hose would be sufficient for the suction line ?? T

No it would probably collapse under suction. But it would work on the pressure side of the pump. Carry a 12v battery into the place and you could do it. I have a sealed one with a handle thats easy to carry and can't spill acid even if it tips over.
Will that pump recommended here be sufficient to handle this chore??

Yes its a very strong pump. Gravity wouldn't work.
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Postby Burbarian » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:38 pm

No need to carry batteries. If you're going to be dragging a long hose into the place, attach the pump to the hose, and have the power lines run with said hose. It could be as simple as using electric tape and taping the positive and negative lines to the hose along its length. Then you have power right at the working end to drive the pump. This allows transfers through the hose under pressure instead of suction. Keep the heavy high capacity batteries in your truck. Or you could even let it idle if it only takes a few minutes.
If you want to get more elaborate, you can take advantage of the power being available at the working end to run a heated pickup. You can even string a data cable along that hose as well. Say to notify you if the tank is near capacity.
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Postby SunWizard » Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:05 pm

A drawback to running a wire along the hose for 50' is it would need to be a large pair of wires that is expensive (>$150) now that copper prices have tripled. That pump draws 16amps, and from my charts, you would need 4 guage wire (like jumper cables) in order to avoid too much voltage drop (>5%) making it pump too slowly.
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Postby Burbarian » Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:22 pm

You can lower the cable gauge requirement by lowering the amp requirement by raising the voltage. 16A x 12V = ~200W. Run an AC pump via an 1000watt inverter in your truck. You only need ~ 2 amps. 18 gauge extension cord is more than adequate for a 200W load. 16AWG would be better if you want a 150W heater element at the pickup.
If you have a portable generator like SunWizard, you don't even need an inverter and you don't need to idle your vehicle. That would be good for large amounts of oil.
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Postby haroldcr » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:28 pm

First, y'all gotta remember, down here, it doesn't GET below 65° F. :lol: :lol:

I'm not figuring the gravity to do much, just maybe help to keep the hose from collapsing. Didn't think it would work, but, I've never pumped oil.

What's the deal with the AC pump ??? Not sure what you are saying ??

How long would a seperate battery last ?? I've got lots of 'sperense with that stuff, and house electric. Just difficult to get hands on stuff here, that y'all take for granted up there. :roll: :D :D 110 gallons at 50' might wear out a battery or 3 ??
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Postby Burbarian » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:49 pm

haroldcr wrote: What's the deal with the AC pump ??? Not sure what you are saying ??


Apologies, I was just making another one of my typical hair brained suggestions.

I had assumed that you could not get authorization to tap into the AC power at the bus terminal, and hence the need to pack your own power supply. My suggestion was to provide your own AC via either a generator or an inverter in your truck. The inverter converts 12V DC that your battery provides into AC. If you get a 120VAC pump, you can get a 12V to 120V inverter. You can make or buy an extension cord the same length as your hose, and tape them together along their length with a few feet free at either end.
Plug the extension cord into the inverter, and you get AC at the outlet of the extension cord on the far end. You can then plug the AC pump into that and pump oil out through the hose under pressure instead of suction.

I used to do a lot of work in construction sites, and we did this often with hoses and pneumatic lines. Run electrical wiring in parallel, primarily to a control switch so the bloke manhandling the working end has control. I've also had combination pumped concrete and pneumatic hoses run together for shotcrete operations, with the electrical lines providing power for a pair of high intensity halogen lights at the working end. This was for mine stabilization. With the flick of a switch he could shut down the concrete pump from his end. It's often MUCH safer than having the control far away and relying on a remote person to keep watch and pay attention. In a noisy construction site, shouts might not be heard over the din, visibility could be obscured, and the task location could be out of sight of the concrete pump / air compressor.
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Postby SunWizard » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:56 pm

haroldcr wrote: I'm not figuring the gravity to do much, just maybe help to keep the hose from collapsing. Didn't think it would work, but, I've never pumped oil.

It would still collapse unless you could find a very stiff garden hose.
How long would a seperate battery last ?? I've got lots of 'sperense with that stuff, and house electric. Just difficult to get hands on stuff here, that y'all take for granted up there. :roll: :D :D 110 gallons at 50' might wear out a battery or 3 ??

It depends on the size of the battery. A small rv/marine deep cycle battery is what I use, and it will run that pump for several hours. At 5gpm, thats about 600 gallons.
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Postby haroldcr » Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:24 pm

OK, How's THIS sound ?? After posting a while ago, in this thread, I remembered I have an electric trolling motor, that I cut the motor off the shaft, to use on a sawmill I'm slowly building.

How about, I mount that on a board, and belt drive a power steering pump, from a pickup, and pump the oil. Will that push enough oil so I don't have to buy lunch, while waiting to empty the barrel ??

I'm heading stateside in about a month, and need a power steering pump for a Dieselcraft Centrifuge I want to buy.

Power steering pump I might be able to find. If I make connections from the pump to a larger hose, that should slow the flow a little, to not have high pressure at the collection barrel, right ??
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Postby SunWizard » Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:38 pm

A power steering pump is high pressure, low flow. But its cheap and would work. You will get about 2 gpm. Size of hose doesn't matter much at that low flow. The pressure won't get high unless you kink the output hose, then it will pop off a fitting and spray everything with VO :shock:
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Postby haroldcr » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:46 pm

Went to get the 2 barrels of oil, today. Came back with 2 GALLONS. !!!!

Seems that the first barrel was sitting with the top just placed on the barrel, and SOMEHOW, the barrel got knocked over ???????????????

Gal that owns the concession was REALLY PISSED. She did NOT return our calls for the past 2 days, so, we figured, that's typical down here, and went in anyway.

Second barrel was taken away for trash. ?????????

Got 3 new contact phone numbers, and a new contact gave us the 2 gallons. He cooks fish with a BIG Wok, and doesn't use much oil in a weeks time.
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Postby SkySkiJason » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:01 pm

Howdy y'all. I'm new here and just fumbling around so far, but I had to reply to this.

That is a PERFECT application for a vacuum sucker. I have a 40gal water heater stripped down that I've collected 100's of gals of (sometimes very thick) VO with. I intend to weld some wheels and a handle on it to make it easier to move around (instead of handtruck).

I use an A/C vacuum pump ('cause I have one) and at 25 in vacuum, I can get 35 gals in a couple of minutes thru a 1" hose. At home I use compressed air to empty the tank (thru a course filter).

A vacuum pump can be made for cheap from discarded ref. or freezer compressors. I have met one person who uses the vacuum from his truck's vacuum pump to pull an 80 gal sucker tank down while he drives to collection point(s).

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Postby haroldcr » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:21 pm

I sure don't wanna appear stoopid, but, you have a 40 gallon tank, and can get 35 gallons at a time. The 55 gallon drums are near full or ARE full. Now, you have to empty your sucker tank, and go back ??? There will be 2-3 55 gallon drums per trip ??? I have to go 30 miles to get this oil, so I include shopping and other business along the way.

Like I said, things are VERY different down here. Vacuum pumps are not easy to find, and, if a Gringo is interested, the price just doubled or tripled :roll: :roll:

On another note, I just secured 2 tractor engine oil pumps. Just have to go get them, tomorrow. I can use those, although they are low production.

When I lived in Arkansas, I had a guy pump out the septic tank. He had a rig where he used the vacuum off the intake or exhaust of his truck engine, to pull vacuum. He could suck a 4" hose full from underground, to, 7' above ground ???

Never paid attention to exactly how he had it rigged :roll: :roll:
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