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Virgin oil

Postby tubular031 » Mon May 18, 2009 2:07 pm

I found a source for some virgin oil that has past its sell by date. I remember reading somewhere but can not find it, some debate about virgin oil causing issues because it has not been "broke" down by the heat and food in the fryer. This was LONG ago and I dont really remember the details of it.

Is there any issue with running virgin oil? I can get about 200 gal of it for a small fee.
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Postby SunWizard » Mon May 18, 2009 2:11 pm

Unused VO is the best kind. Any amount of "broke down" is worse. As always, do a test for water from the lowest point.
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Postby tubular031 » Mon May 18, 2009 2:17 pm

That is what I thought. Thanks sun for your input.

I bought a CF that I will be hooking up this weekend and will run everything past that before it enters my truck. Been having bad luck with the heat/settle method.

Do you think that a buck a gal is a good price for virgin oil? The guy will deliver it to me also included in the price, but I have to buy 250 gal at a time..
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Postby SunWizard » Mon May 18, 2009 3:09 pm

tubular031 wrote:I bought a CF that I will be hooking up this weekend and will run everything past that before it enters my truck.

That is a waste, if its new VO I would simply run it through a 5 micron filter. Unless a test shows water.
Do you think that a buck a gal is a good price for virgin oil? The guy will deliver it to me also included in the price, but I have to buy 250 gal at a time..

Yes thats a good price. But it depends on how much used VO you have access to, and what $ value you put on your time to collect/filter/dewater it.
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Postby jburke » Wed May 20, 2009 6:00 am

"run it through a 5 micron filter."
That is a waste. [Sorry couldn't resist. ;-)]

i've run over 1000 gallons of virgin canola and soy SVO in my TDI.
From 35# cubies. No filtering. No settling. Sometimes I fill up right in the parking lot. My fuel filters last longer on virgin SVO than WVO.

$1 is a lot lower than the current $6.

They must have burned a million gallons of virgin rapeseed/canola in Germany by now. We've concluded food grade canola meets the German Weihenstephan/DIN SVO std.
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Re: Virgin oil

Postby hheynow » Tue May 26, 2009 10:29 am

tubular031 wrote:I found a source for some virgin oil that has past its sell by date. I remember reading somewhere but can not find it, some debate about virgin oil causing issues because it has not been "broke" down by the heat and food in the fryer. This was LONG ago and I dont really remember the details of it.



The word de-gumming comes to mind, but I believe food grade SVO is AOK.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... /degumming

Degumming discussed in an Aussie SVO forum here:
http://www.biofuelsforum.com/svo_users/ ... a_oil.html
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Postby WD8CDH » Tue May 26, 2009 3:02 pm

Test it for water. While rare, I have seen virgin oil with too much water for fuel use.
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Postby John Galt » Tue May 26, 2009 5:05 pm

Not that rare at all. Here's a recent ASTM test on virgin feedstock used for making biodiesel.
Here is my feedstock that I use. The oil tested for .2% FFA and moisture was .11%

That's 1100 PPM, more than twice the recommended level of dryness. This person was getting excess soap in their BD, probably related to the excess moisture in their virgin oil.
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Postby tubular031 » Wed May 27, 2009 9:30 am

Thanks everyone for your replies. I got 525 gal delivered yesterday. I am going to run it through my gravity CF before it goes into my tank. It may not be needed, but its easy enough to do and I will not be taking a chance with my $2,500 injectors.
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