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electric fuel pumps

Postby flysurge » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:48 pm

Good evening gents,

Was wondering what electric fuel pumps you guys have had success with?? I would like to use one for veg and one for diesel. I am going to be running them with check valves and a custom made manual return valve (return line in, 3 outputs, diesel, veg, loop). Not sure which pumps will stand up to warm veg.
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Postby Welder » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:04 am

I am currently in the process of building my own custom made 12V SVO lift pump. I call it "The Frankenpump".

I can hardly wait until the project is completed, I'll shout "It's alive!!!" and "I've created a monster!!!

The reason for the drama is that the design is an excercise in overkill. It will be based on a high torque 4" diameter motor coupled to a gear style pump capable of producing well over 3000 PSI. An adjustable high performance external bypass regulator will regulate fuel pressure to a reasonable level.

This thing should theoretically be significantly stronger than even great pumps like the F.A.S.S. and the Raptor.

After reading about other people experiencing mechanical failures with cheaper pumps, I wanted something STRONG for my first conversion. It seems that the issue of hot veggie you mentioned has fried many pumps.

Chris Goodwin at Frybrid said he has quite the collection of dead lift pumps. He sells the F.A.S.S. pump.

After testing this custom pump on my conversion, I may offer them for sale to others who want rugged dependability. I have no idea what to charge for them, but I will try to give the best price possible.

In the meantime, you may get decent results with a Walbro solenoid pump. I've heard mixed reviews of the Master (Napa) E8012S when used on SVO, but I just bought one today for the diesel side of my two tank "valveless" style system (AKA Veggiestroke).
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Postby zoochy » Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:47 am

I use a Franken Facet 40198.

http://www.facet-purolator.com/solidstate.asp

Warm veg is easier to pump than solid veg.
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Postby Welder » Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:42 am

zoochy wrote:I use a Franken Facet 40198.

http://www.facet-purolator.com/solidstate.asp

Warm veg is easier to pump than solid veg.


Don't you mean a 40189? I followed the link and looked for a 40198, but couldn't find one.

How is your pump working? How much did you pay? Where did you buy it?

I like the specs on the #40109.
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Postby flysurge » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:19 am

has anyone ever taken one of these apart, just to see what can cause the leaks folks seem to experience over time??
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Re: electric fuel pumps

Postby FlyboyDVIII » Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:43 am

flysurge wrote:Good evening gents,

Was wondering what electric fuel pumps you guys have had success with?? I would like to use one for veg and one for diesel. I am going to be running them with check valves and a custom made manual return valve (return line in, 3 outputs, diesel, veg, loop). Not sure which pumps will stand up to warm veg.


Would it be possible to find out what type of vehicle you plan this system for? you may not be aware that the requirements of different makes are not the same.

I run a Facet/Purolator 59 SV on diesel and a FASS HDPP on veg. My FASS is in a looped system and sees Hot Veg not warmed, I power my pumps threw a single relay that is triggered the same as my feed Solenoid Valve.
93, F250, 7.3, N/A, WVO since 5-06 over 147K so far, 2wd, ext cab, 100 gal. tank, DIY system. 10psi 23A FASS w/ ProComp regulator.

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Re: electric fuel pumps

Postby Welder » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:26 am

FlyboyDVIII wrote:
flysurge wrote:Good evening gents,

Was wondering what electric fuel pumps you guys have had success with?? I would like to use one for veg and one for diesel. I am going to be running them with check valves and a custom made manual return valve (return line in, 3 outputs, diesel, veg, loop). Not sure which pumps will stand up to warm veg.


Would it be possible to find out what type of vehicle you plan this system for? you may not be aware that the requirements of different makes are not the same.

I run a Facet/Purolator 59 SV on diesel and a FASS HDPP on veg. My FASS is in a looped system and sees Hot Veg not warmed, I power my pumps threw a single relay that is triggered the same as my feed Solenoid Valve.




Hi Flyboy.

If you are using two seperate fuel pumps for the two fuels, why even bother having a fuel selection solenoid valve at all? Why not go valveless (AKA Veggiestroke) instead?
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Re: electric fuel pumps

Postby FlyboyDVIII » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:04 am

Hi Flyboy.

If you are using two seperate fuel pumps for the two fuels, why even bother having a fuel selection solenoid valve at all? Why not go valveless (AKA Veggiestroke) instead?


Because I don't have a Power Stroke, and I already had all the valves in place before the second pump was added. I have paid no attention to the valveless systems, so I am ignorant of them. I do know that in my system that it is possible to get no Veg returned to my diesel tank. I do not live in a coastal area, I do see and run at -0F temps. I do not want any veg in my diesel fuel.

I believe the valveless system has merits but I was already equipped with valves.
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Postby Welder » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:29 pm

I'm not trying to get you to change your setup, but the valveless/Veggiestroke system can work on any diesel, not just Powerstrokes.
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Postby coachgeo » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:51 pm

Welder wrote:... the valveless/Veggiestroke system can work on any diesel, not just Powerstrokes.
Welder do you know of a link to a thread or advertisement anywhere that gives a plumbing example of the valveless/V.Stroke system?
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Postby SunWizard » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:05 pm

Here is the simplest way, and stop calling it valveless since there is a return selection valve, a better name is 2 electric pumps:
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Make sure both your pumps have check valves in them, or add check valves.
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Postby flysurge » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:24 pm

was going to use this setup as sunwizard but with a three return valve, one for veg, one for diesel, and one for a loop. mercedes diesel.
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Postby Welder » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:05 am

SunWizard wrote:Here is the simplest way, and stop calling it valveless since there is a return selection valve, a better name is 2 electric pumps:
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Make sure both your pumps have check valves in them, or add check valves.


Is that a direct order, Sir? (LOL) I started calling it a "valveless" setup after reading it called that on the infopop site. Pizzaman has a valveless/Veggiestroke setup.

"2 electric pumps" doesn't roll off the tongue like "valveless" does. At the time I first heard that plumbing style referred to as valveless, I wasn't even aware that Veggiestroke even existed.

The term "valveless" refers to the fact that no fuel selection valve is required, only 2 check valves on each branch of the supply line and one 3 way valve on the return line.
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Postby flysurge » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:43 am

Semantics....

Back to ????
Best electric pump for warm to hot veg?

Was thinking of using the master pumps and just carrying a third in the trunk in my tool kit in case of failure/leaks. But if its just a matter of time until it leaks, I would rather use a better pump to begin with.

Who sells th Fass pumps? Has the Walbro frb-5 been holding up?
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Postby FlyboyDVIII » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:59 am

flysurge wrote:Semantics....

Back to ????
Best electric pump for warm to hot veg?

Was thinking of using the master pumps and just carrying a third in the trunk in my tool kit in case of failure/leaks. But if its just a matter of time until it leaks, I would rather use a better pump to begin with.

Who sells th Fass pumps? Has the Walbro frb-5 been holding up?


The Fass is sold by all the Veg venders with the possible exceptions of GreaseCar and Fossil Free Fuel. if you should decide to do a Google search for Fass and find there home site. you will be able to insert your zip and find a deisel dealer close to you that sells them, there were 2 both within 80 miles of me. they have all signed a dealer program with Fass and the going price is supposed to be the same from all venders. $275 and $375 .

I may have missed you post were you listed the vehicle you want to use it on. Fass now says that the smaller motor version the 8A HPDP is also warrenteed for 6 years in the 10PSI setting on Veg. That pump would have been just the ticket for my install, but I will never look back after installing the 23A HPDP. :D

The 23A 95 GPM set at 100 psi would be the Holy grail of onboard while you drive CF pump, IMHO.

I have not heard of any failers of the new Walbros, but they havn't been in service that long. I had a 6065 fail in 28K. that was 9 month of diving for me. I actualy paid for my FASS twice :( by experimenting with lesser pumps that fail to pump veg.
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