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California WVO Laws

Postby ecojetta » Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:17 pm

Here is a great link to CA WVO related laws.

http://www.greasehaulers.com/laws.htm

This has the links to the tax forms.
It also has the laws related to collecting grease - big bummer.

My interpretation of this is that you can haul off 15 gallons at a time
in 5 gallon containers, before you are illegal. One of my buddies had a great idea to use beer kegs - no problem hauling them around. Anyone have any experience or knowledge about these laws? Thanks!
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Postby volumetric_efficiency » Sat May 31, 2008 5:08 am

ty for the info...
i have an question. Just when do we pay these "road taxes"? Before or after there is proof that Caltrans has begun to servicing our roads? :shock:
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CA taxes

Postby ecojetta » Sat May 31, 2008 9:42 am

technically the Prius owners should be paying for all of the miles driven on battery

I am paying the taxes, but I wish they would give me an HOV lane sticker like the Prius owners. No luck so far - best to just stay off the radar.
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Re: California WVO Laws

Postby mixelpix » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:08 am

ecojetta wrote:http://www.greasehaulers.com/laws.htm


What's greasehaulers? they selling kits, too? Forget the second hand info, especially if it from a capitalist and go straight to the source:

California:
http://www.boe.ca.gov/pdf/pub12.pdf

The Feds:
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f637.pdf

If I read things correctly, they are only gonna slam volume producers without licensing or extremely flagrant individuals. Besides, ain't nuthin in the Constitution says I can't distill my own fuel so you send any Fed my way who has a problem with that and I will have a nice long chat with the Judge if they decide to arrest me and the AG decides to prosecute me.

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-Patrick Kennedy

p.s. you might want to take a look at this one too:
http://www.boe.ca.gov/sptaxprog/mciftafaqs.htm
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go good earth grease haulers!

Postby mixelpix » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:02 am

whaddya know:
http://www.petitiononline.com/biofuel1/petition.htm

sounds fairly altruistic. Anyone know if they are for profit or non-profit?

Thanks,
-pdk
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WVO Fuel Taxes?

Postby dragonfly » Wed Dec 31, 2008 12:05 pm

Have my CA Grease Hauler's license being renewed ($175) for '09. I did call the CA Franchise Tax Board in Jan of '08 asking if there was a road fuel tax due if WVO was used as road fuel. No tax due and nothing on the books. Where, at what rate and who are you paying the tax to?
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Postby dragonfly » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:32 pm

ecojetta - You posted that you are paying the CA road tax. Who are you paying it to and how much per gal.?
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Comercial activity.....

Postby imdji » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:43 pm

I have read the Calif state codes regarding "greasehaullers" and the licensing requirements and I have come to the conclusion that those codes/statutes/laws only pertain to "commercial activity".
When I pick up oil from a neighborhood restaurant or a friend who has a surplus, I am "transporting" the oil (my personal property) in my own "private vehicle" for my own personal use. I am not selling it to a renderer, nor am I employed to transport the oil for sale to another individual or commercial entity.
I AM NOT ENGAGED IN ANY COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, SO THOSE CODES/STATUTES/LAWS DO NOT APPLY TO ME!
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1996 Ford F250 Supercab white-silver/grey - 7.3 PSD running a WVO/RUG/ULSD blend in 2nd tank.
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Re: Comercial activity.....

Postby dragonfly » Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:00 pm

imdji wrote:I have read the Calif state codes regarding "greasehaullers" and the licensing requirements and I have come to the conclusion that those codes/statutes/laws only pertain to "commercial activity".
When I pick up oil from a neighborhood restaurant or a friend who has a surplus, I am "transporting" the oil (my personal property) in my own "private vehicle" for my own personal use. I am not selling it to a renderer, nor am I employed to transport the oil for sale to another individual or commercial entity.
I AM NOT ENGAGED IN ANY COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, SO THOSE CODES/STATUTES/LAWS DO NOT APPLY TO ME!
My 2c.......Dennis


Denis,
I have had my CA License for the '08 and '09 yrs. The 2008 license cost $400 but with the new classification is for "Personal Use" is $100 for the 2009 year (plus having the $1 mil liability insurance). A very nice reduction in cost. The CA boys don't really care if you are "engaged in any commercial activity". The law is only with the transport from point A (restaurant) to point B (your home). They also have suggested in getting a letter from the restaurant owner saying you have permission to take his WVO (protection for when you might get stopped by the cops.
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Postby David » Sat Mar 28, 2009 5:07 am

For " The land of the free" You guys there sure have a LOT of rules and regulations for the simplest things!

Is it true that in cali they were trying to bring in regulations that meant weed whackers and model airplane engines had to pass emissions standards?

If they got that through, the next thing would be people having to wear device's fitted to their backsides or Activated charcoal filled undershorts in case someone had need to pass gas!
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Comercial activity vs Private activity.....

Postby imdji » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:48 pm

dragonfly wrote:Denis,
I have had my CA License for the '08 and '09 yrs. The 2008 license cost $400 but with the new classification is for "Personal Use" is $100 for the 2009 year (plus having the $1 mil liability insurance). A very nice reduction in cost. The CA boys don't really care if you are "engaged in any commercial activity". The law is only with the transport from point A (restaurant) to point B (your home). They also have suggested in getting a letter from the restaurant owner saying you have permission to take his WVO (protection for when you might get stopped by the cops.

Dragonfly-
The laws that deal with "greasehaullers" are under the Board of Equalization (BOE). ALL BOE laws, codes and regulations have to do with Commercial Activity, not "private activity". The State does not, can not and SHOULD not be involved in private activity (that's why it's called private). If I have a "private contract" (a private contract could include a written or oral contract, or even just a handshake) with someone, the State is not involved in any way, shape or form (and shouldn't be involved). When I pick up a cubie or 100 cubies from someone, it's MY private property.
If a restaurant has a contract (commercial agreement) with a grease hauler (commercial entity) and provides a barrel, the restaurant owner cannot say to me "sure, it's OK if you pump out that barrel and haul away the oil" because once the oil gets poured into the barrel, it becomes property of the grease hauler or renderer, not the restaurant owner - I would be stealing the oil.
On the other hand, if I contact the restaurant owner and arrange for the oil to be put in cubies or even provide a barrel (this is a private contract between 2 individuals) and I pick up the oil (private property) and transport it (in my private automobile)to another place, that is my private business in which the State has no concern.
I have the God-given Unalienable (pronounced un-a-leen-a-bul) right to contract, both privately and/or with the State if I so choose. I do not need or require the State's permission to enter into a contract with another individual. I do not need or require the State's permission to transport, transfer or otherwise "haul" my own personal property wherever I choose.
As for the "liability insurance", what happened to personal responsibility? I take precautions when pumping and transporting the oil, but if something does happen, I have Auto and Homeowners insurance.
I don't fault anyone for wanting to be "legal", but as I said before, I am not involved in any commercial activity, so none of the BOE laws apply to me, and the last thing I want is for the State being involved in my private affairs - again, just my 2cents.......Dennis
"Betty" 1981 MB 300D Light Ivory/Palomino leather running a WVO/RUG blend.
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Postby dragonfly » Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:34 am

Dennis,
Good points. I don't care who has the control of the grease - Feds, Equalization, CA Agrri. or whomever. When the CA Food and Agri. "cop" pull me over and asks where my CA Greaser Hawler's sticker is, writes a $500 ticket (second on is $1K), my name is on the books for further checking (fines). You can give the "cops" all the reasons in the world why you are a "private party". He really doesn't want to hear it or care about what you say. The "cop" only knows BLACK and WHITE laws. You are breaking the law in his eyes. By the way, I've heard that the CA CHIPS and local cops look for illegal grease haulers as well. The rendering companies will now be alerting the CA Food and Agri "cops" when they see you picking up oil from their source. Here's the bottom line to me: I'm legal, I don't care who sees me picking up oil, a city, state or whom ever will not part of my a_ _ . Being legal also makes it much easier to get new sources of oil. In the early days of grease gathering, I had a very good supply from one nationally named restaurant. A city grease "cop" asked the manager who picked up the grease. Reply, "a local guy who comes each week when we call him." Cop response: show me his CA F&A license. That was the end of the oil UNTIL I showed the manager my license. As always it is your/our choice to do something in life. I've made mine and it feels great to be free of looking over my shoulder for someone who wants to put me down.
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